Comments on: Change or create? http://kimbontrager.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/ Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:48:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: inWorship http://kimbontrager.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-306 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:37:00 +0000 http://kimbontrager.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-306 I was a part of the conversation over there for a little bit. Good discussion.

I agree with Todd that the context was completely lost for any of us that didn’t hear it in person. But, it was good to see that phrase from all the angles that were brought up.

I like what you’ve said. If we can set aside any “definitions” of culture then we can really get to heart and intent.

How will people change…only when we show them who they need to be. And to press on with that thought, they do NOT need to be like us…they need to be like Jesus.

I like that you’ve highlighted the “no” versus the “yes”. It seems that Christians so often are in the “no” or “against” camp.

We can’t show them Jesus by what He isn’t. We have to show people Jesus by modeling who He is.

When we are faithful to be like Him, then He can truly affect everything around us and “culture” is changed.

]]> By: kim http://kimbontrager.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-305 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:07:00 +0000 http://kimbontrager.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-305 you’re right, todd, it is difficult to interpret without more context. This came out of a discussion of what’s around the corner for the Church. A few more key ideas:
- the church should be involved at the point where culture is created, rather than standing downstream being angry at it.
- the early church was ‘provocative’… using the markers of their culture (Caesar’s propaganda, etc) to proclaim the full truth of the gospel
- the church can’t be all about what happens ‘at church’. that creates a dichotomy for people where church isn’t related to ‘real life’. the task of the church is to go out and create the culture of the world, not react to it.

Maybe that helps…maybe it’s worse.

]]> By: Todd Ramsey http://kimbontrager.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-304 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:50:00 +0000 http://kimbontrager.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/change-or-create/#comment-304 That makes much more sense than the quote out of context. I didn’t really like when I just saw the quote.

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